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I didn't write this, but I wish I had. 
 
It reminds me of a conversation a year ago with Richard Monson Haefel about the relative intelligence of Java and .NET developers…
Posted Mar 08 2006, 04:57 PM by don-box

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Simon Fell wrote re: Why I Hate Frameworks
on 03-08-2006 12:14 PM
what, big ugly frameworks like, say Indigo ? :)
Oran wrote re: Why I Hate Frameworks
on 03-08-2006 7:24 PM
The nerve! Jack Greenfield is rolling over in his factory factory.

I also liked the dig at config files. *cough* *Indigo*
Oran wrote re: Why I Hate Frameworks
on 03-08-2006 8:07 PM
I should have read all the comments before posting. Jack Greenfield emerges from his factory for a little spat with Benji around 3/4 of the way through the comments. Worth reading.

On a side note, I know what a framework is and what a library is, but what the heck is a foundation?
Uffe's Blog wrote Couldn't agree more about the framework virus
on 03-09-2006 1:30 AM
Ebenezer Ikonne wrote Why I Hate Frameworks
on 03-09-2006 6:07 AM
Stefan Tilkov's Random Stuff wrote Why I Hate Frameworks
on 03-09-2006 8:08 AM
A very funny posting, with a lot of serious truth in it … [via Don Box]...
Amanjit Gill wrote re: Why I Hate Frameworks
on 03-09-2006 10:56 AM
The main problem with (competing) object oriented frameworks is that you easily end up with incompatible abstractions that encapsulate the same technical/business) concepts. Frameworks normally do not mix and match easily, even if they target the same problem domain. Theres nothing worse than needing a single functionality in a framework and then having to dive into all of the abstractions and adapting to the design philosophy of the framework because everything is dependant on everything else, and nothing really is interchangeable or usable outside the scope of the framework. Every framework wants to run the main() method, thats the problem, and no one thinks about decoupling functionality at a facade level - just compare the IWebBrowser2 interface from shdocvw.dll with the whole bag of things that make up mozilla (even if they have XPCOM, its still an application specific concept, but I don't blame them for that, since that probably was their design goal.).
d0lphin.blog wrote :
on 03-09-2006 11:58 AM
d0lphin.blog wrote :
on 03-09-2006 11:59 AM
public virtual MemoryStream wrote Why I Hate Frameworks
on 03-09-2006 9:24 PM
Benji Smith in Why I hate frameworks: So this week, we're introducing a general-purpose tool-building factory factory factory, so that all of your different tool factory factories can be produced by a single, unified factory. The factory factory factory will produce only the tool factory factories that you actually need, and each of those factory factories will produce a single...
My Technical Blog... by Gerson GC wrote Frameworks of frameworks...
on 03-10-2006 7:52 AM
Leyendo un comentario de Don Box, hace referencia a un post sobre los mitos de los "Frameworks"... ...
Toadkillerdog's DogHouse wrote Software Factories Diatribe
on 03-10-2006 11:34 AM
Joel on Software spouts (nod to Don Box) off on factories...
Christopher Steen wrote Link Listing - March 12, 2006
on 03-12-2006 10:40 PM
Debugging AJAX apps, part 5 - XmlHttpRequest in IE /
FireFox [Via: Rumen Stankov ]
Debugging AJAX...
陶醉 wrote 为什么我憎恶framework?
on 03-23-2006 4:48 AM
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????,?????????????????????????????????????,???????????????????????????????????,????????????????????,???????????????????????????????main()??,????????????????????????,??shdocvw.dll ??IWebBrowser2 interface...
Sarah wrote re: Why I Hate Frameworks
on 04-09-2006 3:04 AM
Have all these Framework people forgotten the KISS rule:
Keep It Simple Stupid!

I think it definately applies here! (See Mobi-Web 2.0 for eg's of how simplicity will overcome complex situations! ;) )
neoedmund wrote re: Why I Hate Frameworks
on 04-26-2006 6:59 PM
yes, the best framework is no framework
Stefan Holmberg wrote re: Why I Hate Frameworks
on 08-30-2006 3:46 AM
Personally, as a ASP.NET developer, I think that programming has turned into finding the right timing for doint things - it's hard to follow the flow in an event programming model/framework. Kind of "No, not in Page_Load, you need to do it in Page_Init, stupid!!!"
My (not-so) Technical blog... by Gerson wrote Frameworks of frameworks...
on 09-14-2006 2:46 AM
Leyendo un comentario de Don Box, hace referencia a un post sobre los mitos de los "Frameworks"... ...

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